Comments on: Taught by pain http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/ tales of life from North Queensland, Australia Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:07:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: tom http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-16151 tom Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:18:39 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-16151 The saga continues: http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/permit-to-kill-weed-in-wetland-clearance/2007/06/29/1182624165367.html The saga continues:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/permit-to-kill-weed-in-wetland-clearance/2007/06/29/1182624165367.html

]]> By: tom http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13764 tom Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:29:07 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13764 Well, I've taken sides. Their neighbours didn't clear the land. If he'd looked after it properly, there wouldn't be a problem. Well, I’ve taken sides. Their neighbours didn’t clear the land. If he’d looked after it properly, there wouldn’t be a problem.

]]> By: timtim http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13739 timtim Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:55:59 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13739 I am far from saying it is a good thing Tom what I am saying however is that this is a hot political issue. I have worked with a guy who has worked in the area a lot, lives there now and knows both the family and some of the local politics in the area. The neighbour of this family wanted to buy that particular piece of land and had a family friend with the EPA who used to visit regularly. By dobbing them in they send that family belly up and buy the land. Win win for them. Also birds and people would see that area differently. Farmers don't like weeds and try to get rid of them, birds just like vegetation to hide and nest in, it doesn't really matter what that vegetation is classified as by the humans. Is it a failing of the farmer for perhaps not having the knowledge to see that in clearing the vegetation weeds species are more likely to propagate, or a failing of the governing bodies and communities to be so slow to adapt to more sustainable farming practices. Yes it is a terrible thing to happen but I am loath to be so quick to take sides until stories from both parties are known. I am far from saying it is a good thing Tom what I am saying however is that this is a hot political issue. I have worked with a guy who has worked in the area a lot, lives there now and knows both the family and some of the local politics in the area. The neighbour of this family wanted to buy that particular piece of land and had a family friend with the EPA who used to visit regularly. By dobbing them in they send that family belly up and buy the land. Win win for them.
Also birds and people would see that area differently. Farmers don’t like weeds and try to get rid of them, birds just like vegetation to hide and nest in, it doesn’t really matter what that vegetation is classified as by the humans. Is it a failing of the farmer for perhaps not having the knowledge to see that in clearing the vegetation weeds species are more likely to propagate, or a failing of the governing bodies and communities to be so slow to adapt to more sustainable farming practices.
Yes it is a terrible thing to happen but I am loath to be so quick to take sides until stories from both parties are known.

]]> By: Benwah http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13705 Benwah Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:36:11 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13705 I think I can see what TimTim is hinting at, but I really only have more questions, Why was the land cleared? I mean clearly farmers need land right, for Grazing, planting etc. is this especially good farming land? From all I've read via this post and all the links I can't determine why exactly it was cleared? I'm not as well educated on the matter plus I've seen how upset Tom is about the whole situation so it's hard for me to form a non Bias opinion (or opinion at all really) however from all accounts I'm inclinded to agree with the chap called Richard who said it's not such a good thing, seeing as he is pretty much the expert on the subject. In saying that Richard also goes on to say that in 10 years time the area 'may' recover which give me hope. Was 1990 a long time ago life cycle wise for these types of habitats? how established to they get in 17+ years? I think I can see what TimTim is hinting at, but I really only have more questions, Why was the land cleared? I mean clearly farmers need land right, for Grazing, planting etc. is this especially good farming land? From all I’ve read via this post and all the links I can’t determine why exactly it was cleared? I’m not as well educated on the matter plus I’ve seen how upset Tom is about the whole situation so it’s hard for me to form a non Bias opinion (or opinion at all really) however from all accounts I’m inclinded to agree with the chap called Richard who said it’s not such a good thing, seeing as he is pretty much the expert on the subject. In saying that Richard also goes on to say that in 10 years time the area ‘may’ recover which give me hope. Was 1990 a long time ago life cycle wise for these types of habitats? how established to they get in 17+ years?

]]> By: tom http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13695 tom Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:47:58 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13695 Just like the Marshes are receiving too much water timtim? Sounds like you've been talking to John. Have a look at this <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200705/r145133_507480.asx">video of the ABC Lateline story</a> and we'll see if you feel the same way! The whole thing is an absolute disgrace. If the farmer had approval, that's a terrible institutional failure. If he did have approval, he should've known better (being a man of the land and all). I mean, someone has to sit in a bulldozer for a long time to do that sort of damage - you'd think the penny would've dropped! If it <em>was</em> "cleared by the government" pre-1990 (show me the evidence), that's also bad, but haven't we learnt anything in the last 17 years? Just like the Marshes are receiving too much water timtim? Sounds like you’ve been talking to John.

Have a look at this video of the ABC Lateline story and we’ll see if you feel the same way!

The whole thing is an absolute disgrace. If the farmer had approval, that’s a terrible institutional failure. If he did have approval, he should’ve known better (being a man of the land and all). I mean, someone has to sit in a bulldozer for a long time to do that sort of damage - you’d think the penny would’ve dropped!

If it was “cleared by the government” pre-1990 (show me the evidence), that’s also bad, but haven’t we learnt anything in the last 17 years?

]]> By: timtim http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13689 timtim Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:38:15 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13689 You know that area that was cleared was also cleared pre 1990 by the government to control weeds species (lippia). There is more to the story than the media covers Tom. You know that area that was cleared was also cleared pre 1990 by the government to control weeds species (lippia). There is more to the story than the media covers Tom.

]]> By: YLD http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13412 YLD Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:26:34 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13412 Get a heavy roller out there and it would make a great airfield! Especially without any of those pesky birds to get in the way ;) Get a heavy roller out there and it would make a great airfield! Especially without any of those pesky birds to get in the way ;)

]]> By: ylm http://tomandzoe.com/log/2007/06/taught-by-pain/#comment-13402 ylm Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:32:26 +0000 http://tomandzoe.com/log/?p=681#comment-13402 this is a lovely post tom. what can the rest of us do to help the marshes?? this is a lovely post tom.
what can the rest of us do to help the marshes??

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